Messages posted by: Rocky Marciano

Apparently OB2D is pretty much dead at the moment.

If you want to a title shot log on right now with your main.

- not for serious laggers (ping > 140). I like it fair.
- not for alts. I like it fair.
- those are my rules like it or not

Seems like I am the only one who has been defending his titles lately.

Oh the official bitch of OB crawled out from his hiding place to post.

I admit I thought of replying properly but then came to same conclusion as I always do: insignificant little unibrow troll like you is just not worth of my time.

You are making yourself look pretty stupid on this thread Ray.Frankly said you are on your way becoming next Reaper...

Damn African where did you get that avatar gif of yours?

It noobified the game to a point I am thinking of just quitting again. I am doing fine despite this change. I am just spamming now and doing it slightly better. That being said it really is not fun. Having to actually think what you are doing in the ring and having to actually set up your shots, instead of just filling the air with punches knowing some are bound to land, was WAY MORE FUN and CHALLENGING. Spamming for 12 rounds without having to aim or use any strategy is not fun nor challenging.

Spam spam + spam harder because you'll never

I recently had few matches where I counter spammed my opponents spam. Well somewhere in middle of it all I got hit with double noob hook. Little did I care since due to this newbie stamina I knew i could get up so i got up and continued. I ended up getting double noob hooked 3 separate times during the match. Each time I just got up and continue spamming knowing that I would win the round anyway with my spamming and that it is next to impossible to actually KO opponent now.

ALL THANKS TO NOOBIFIED STAMINA.

Ps. Yeah I will go and cry you a river Mikkel

"If you are not advancing your position, not looking for a submission or to get some gnp on then they will stand you up. Same applies to being in the clinch against the cage, if you are not looking to advance your position IE: dropping for the single or trying to control the head for some clinch hitting (dirty boxing) then they will seperate you as you are basically stalling the fight process.

I agree totally with this as you will get some wrestlers which will just hold you down and not try to do anything, they have no submissions and are looking to win on points by controlling you, it's boring and takes away the whole point of the contest."

Perhaps the problem is that ground grappling is in principle very different to both stand up striking and stand up grappling. Both stand up striking and stand up grappling are very dynamic in nature. Opportunity to do a move presents itself in a split second and is there only a split second. This results in a fast explosive movements = exciting.

In ground grappling you can kill the speed (and you should) and gradually build up web of techniques and set up a trap. It really is like a chess. Most of the time there is lot going on although it looks like nothing is really happening. It just does not make good TV. Extremely effective = yes. Good TV = no.

That being said I hate to see MMA become like Olympic Judo: start standing up (and in mma striking goes here), throw/take down, get stood up really fast, repeat.

This all being said I have a problem with following:

""If you are not advancing your position, not looking for a submission or to get some gnp on then they will stand you up. Same applies to being in the clinch against the cage,"

I agree with the above quote. For sure if both of the fighters are just stalling and holding on be it on the ground or standing up in a clinch, there should be a restart. However if it is just one of the fighters doing stalling in order to get out of the position via restart - then it is totally fucked up. There should be yellow card system in the UFC too just to stop this.

Also what if you have two guys standing up just circling and doing nothing/advancing their striking "position"? It is as boring and as stupid as it is in grappling situation. Yet strikers can stall in order to get referee to help them out of grappling position/dimension back to their own strong area (which is striking) and the opposite does not exit for grapplers. There is no stalling standing up to get "stand down". There is no "stand down" to force fighters who do nothing standing up to try fighting on the ground.

".but i'm only 5'9 in height and 145lbs in weight so I always find it hard to beat my friends in "play fights" because most are over 6'2 tall and weigh 200lbs - 230lbs!!!"

It's all about the technique... really! Just last weekend Ruben "Cobrinha" Charles (around 160 lbs) from Team Alliance BJJ competed in event called Lutador... (eh well Lutador something I am too lazy to go check). Anyway since they had other guys to cover lighter weight divisions and Cobrinha felt like he needs a challenge he entered the heavy weight black belt division. Despite being a light weight guy he ended up tapping all those monster 200+ lbs black belts

Oh well maybe this is not a good example since Cobrinha and Marcello Garcia are regarded as best BJJ grapplers P4P at the moment.

"No reason to go in defensive mode, im not attacking grabling or saying this or that is "better". Simply saying that whatever rules you have, boxing has proved to be an important part and useful."

Striking/boxing is and has always been important part of MMA. It is just that having been following MMA for so long and having witnessed multiple rule changes back and forth and impact of those rule changes there is this pattern that many of the long time MMA fans frown upon. Basically for quite some there has been this trend in changing rules away from MMA being a legit sport and making it some kind of "show" ala WWE - custom tailored rules that favor flashy moves and flashy strategy (like super aggressive charge knowing that it is only something like 5 min till opportunity to rest) over more "legitimate" approaches.

But yes as person who has been training various grappling arts (Wrestling, Judo, BJJ) for quite long time it really irritates me to see people stall in order to get a "stand up". It is even worse when we get two guys with horrible stand up that get stood up only to see that they can do even less standing up.

In my opinion for striking arts such as boxing, Thaiboxing, Kickboxing etc. it is always been about being able to adjust your stance and combinations into MMA plus most importantly to learn and master takedown/throw defenses.

I love to watch fighters who have real technical ability to strike properly but I absolutely hate watching people who dont really have the technique to go and try trade standing up.

It is the same with wrestling. What's the point of taking someone down if you dont have skills to finish it up on the ground and end up just laying on top doing... nothing but defending and blocking the other guys attempts.

It really is not good and should be turned back the way it was. I have already outlined my reasoning with examples on other thread.

Get a life John and stop bumping months old threads up. Same goes for you Rankings aka. Goldenboy.

This is almost one year old thread.

"Its not true, they are allowed to stay on the floor if one is making progress."

I have been following MMA ever since UFC 1. Fights get stood up to please the crowd. This is a fact that has been admitted by multiple promoters. It is very clear especially when you compare UFC to Japanese promotions where the general public is familiar with ground grappling and flow of the matches is not interrupted. In fact in Japan the option of stalling on the ground in order to get artificial stand up leads fighter getting yellow card (and less money paid), second card is red (DQued). In UFC it is easy. Just stall and wait for stand up to get free pass back to standing up and safety. UFC does not have similar yellow card system etc.

Anyway the very reason for stand ups in the first place was to please the crows who dont have a clue about ground grappling. Fights were taking too long for PPV concept to be viable. An event could take 2 hours or 5 hours. (longest fight I have seen was Royce Gracie vs. Sakuraba, which laster 90 minutes) That's when they decided to add rounds.

Second problem was audience not understanding ground grappling at all. To general public it looked more like two men rubbing each other bodies... and BORING. This is the exact reason why stand ups were included in rules in the first place and as I said promoters have discussed this issue publicly so it is not a secret. It is all about show. It has gone to pretty bad. Recently a promoter got caught for paying extra for a fighter to NOT take his opponent to the ground at all and just to trade standing because crowds love to see two fighters trading mindlessly "street fight" style.

There are several example where fights have been stood up in middle of other fighter setting up a submission and even few cases where other fighter had a submission hold on opponent and multiple cases of opponent in dominant position attacking getting stood up. One of the funniest things I have see is a fighter losing the fight TWICE in a single match. Matt Lindland got tapped twice against Murilo Bustamante. Referee had no clue about ground grappling and ignored Lindland tapping to straight arm bar. fight was restarted and Murilo had to literally choke his opponent out to get a win.

In general it is a complete joke when you see fights where nothing happens up standing and no one is landing/making any progress whatsoever standing up trading. Yet there is no similar rule of "stand downs".

You can take your opponent down, who then has option of getting free pass to back standing up, which put you in a position of having to do it all over again regardless of if your opponent actually has necessary skills to take the fight back to standing up on his own or not.

"I liked that they used more boxing than I think they would and that boxing suddenly is a very effective style in ufc. Of course you need to know more but the majority of kos are out of classic boxing punches. "

They added limited ground time and artificial stand ups due to people not being educated enough in the art of ground grappling to know what is going on when fight hits the ground.

Logically this has lead to increase in importance of stand up striking skills.

Personally I do not think UFC has nothing to do with MMA. I call it shootboxing. Shootboxing is basically boxing with takedowns and no ground game.

WTF

Red Viper bugged me with this exact question on the ingame chat and now this...