Messages posted by: Dark Destroyer

Skillz wrote:Win Evans Ashira Decision (unanimous) 12 2005-09-10 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mario Veit TKO 6 (12), 0:42 2005-05-07 Braunschweig, Germany Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Kabary Salem Decision (unanimous) 12 2004-10-22 Edinburgh, Scotland Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mger Mkrtchian TKO 7 (12), 1:05 2004-02-21 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Byron Mitchell TKO 2 (12) 2003-06-28 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Tocker Pudwill KO 2 (12), 0:39 2002-12-14 Newcastle, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Miguel Ángel Jiménez Decision (unanimous) 12 2002-08-17 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Charles Brewer Decision (unanimous) 12 2002-04-20 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Will McIntyre TKO 4 (12), 0:45 2001-10-13 Copenhagen, Denmark Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mario Veit TKO 1 (12), 1:52 2001-04-28 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Richie Woodhall TKO 10 (12), 0:28 2000-12-16 Sheffield, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Omar Sheika TKO 5 (12), 2;08 2000-08-12 Wembley, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win David Starie Decision (unanimous) 12 2000-01-29 Manchester, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Rick Thornberry Decision (unanimous) 12 1999-06-05 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Robin Reid Decision (split) 12 1999-02-13 Newcastle, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Juan Carlos Gimenez TKO 9 (12), 3:00 1998-04-25 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Branko Sobot TKO 3 (12), 1:35 1998-01-24 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Chris Eubank Decision (unanimous) 12 1997-10-11 Sheffield, England Won WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Luciano Torres TKO 3 (10) 1997-06-05 Bristol, England Relinquished BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title after this fight.
Win Tyler Hughes KO 1 (10) 1997-03-22 Manchester, England
Win Carlos Christie TKO 2 (10) 1997-01-21 Bristol, England
Win Pat Lawlor TKO 2 (10) 1996-05-15 Cardiff, Wales
Win Warren Stowe TKO 2 (10) 1996-05-04 Dagenham, England
Win Mark Delaney TKO 5 (12) 1996-04-20 Brentwood, England Retained BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title.
Win Anthony Brooks TKO 2 (10) 1996-03-13 Wembley, England
Win Guy Stanford TKO 1 (10) 1996-02-13 Cardiff, Wales
Win Stephen Wilson TKO 8 (12) 1995-10-28 London, England Won vacant BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title.
Win Nick Manners TKO 4 (10) 1995-09-30 Basildon, England
Win Tyrone Jackson TKO 4 (, 1:08 1995-07-08 York, England
Win Robert Curry TKO 1 ( 1995-05-19 London, England
Win Bobbie Joe Edwards Decision (unanimous) 8 1995-02-22 Telford, England
Win Frank Minton KO 1 (, 1:25 1995-02-14 London, England
Win Trevor Ambrose TKO 2 ( 1994-11-30 Wolverhampton, England
Win Mark Lee Dawson TKO 1 (6) 1994-10-01 Cardiff, Wales
Win Karl Barwise TKO 1 (6) 1994-06-04 Cardiff, Wales
Win Darren Littlewood TKO 1 (6) 1994-03-01 Dudley, England
Win Martin Rosamond TKO 1 (6) 1994-01-22 Cardiff, Wales
Win Spencer Alton TKO 2 (4) 1993-12-16 Newport, Wales
Win Paul Mason TKO 1 (4) 1993-11-10 Watford, England
Win Paul Hanlon TKO 1 (4) 1993-10-0

I DONT BELIEVE THESE FIGHTERS HAVE EVER DID ANYTHING OR HAVE BEEN HEARD OF...(HEAR IN AMERICA OF COURSE

Shows your boxing knowledge, Eubank is one of the all time great super middles and Mitchell was a double world champion. Robin Reid was WBC champion. Just because you don;t have the knowlegde don't mean other Americans don't, granted they are not household names in America, but boxing fans appreciate how good they were.

I could do the exact same thing to Jones and Hopkins record who knocked out bums for 10 years, but I won't. Almost all fighters fight nobodies with the occassional A-list fighter on the record. If every boxer fought A-List fighters all the time, even when they start out in their careers we would probably see 15 losses on each record like back in the 1900's.

African Assassin wrote:On a better note I loved the Prince Naseem, his fight against Kelly was the first fight I went to and watched live in person, and I have been a fan of boxing ever since. In a sense it was Hamed who got me hooked on boxing; he was one of my favorite fighters not due to his boxing aility, but his showmanship.....And now I give you the following:

The greatest ring entrance of all times >>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1JM7YLIyU

The best of Hamed getting owned (watch 3;20 is classic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ISwivnhMpI

Great showman, but stepped up to world class level and got obliterated by barrera, rather than prove himself he ran away from the boxing world.

I agree with some of what you have said, hatton isn't on Calzaghe's level, like I have pointed out Calzaghe is a legend Hatton isn't, Hatton is world class though and if he beats the best in the nxt 5 years he could very well be a legend.

As for him beating Cotto, didn't Cotto lose his last fight to a fighter who has the exact same style as Hatton?, there's a thought for you.

As for my boxing knowlegge I atleast acknowlegde good fighters and don't disregard them for what flag they fight for, bias it seems has well and truly clouded your knowledge and judgment. And let's not see you dissing me in every thread I post in, let's keep to debating the boxing and not get childish, after all we don't know each other and never will.

Mikkel wrote:When Tyson were at top, Holyfield,Bowe and Lewis were just getting started. They would have met if Tyson didn't goto jail.

But basically my point is still valid. He didnt fight anyone who were prime and real good. Not saying the others did it constantly, but at least they did it a few times.
A fight with Jones, Toney or Hopkins 7-10 years ago would have been enough but sadly it never happend. Why this didnt happen doesnt matter, it might be Jones fault as well.
But the point is, it didnt happen. How can that make him a legend ? His best results are Kessler and Lacy unless you wan't to count in the win over the human punching bag RJJ. For Christ Sake !
Legend = Ali
Legend = Hagler
How can Calzaghe then be a legend ? Unless theres different degrees of legends. He could be like a "midget legend" or something.

I just have to laugh at that, Calzaghe not a legend?, hahaha, I'm not going to continue this discussion, your comments are laughable, Ali and Hagler he is not, but he is a legend in his own right.

No disrespect I think you need to read my posts, I'll paste my comments in with yours in this post...

Mikkel wrote:DD, whos pulling who down ? It seems to me that you are trying to pull Hatton up like this was some huge win.

I said in a previous post..."hatton has 30 odd knockouts and is a constant pressure fighter and Paulie only has 5 KO's to his name, oh and HE isn't as good as what he thinks"...so where did I say it was a huge win?.

Mikkel wrote:A true great fighter just demolishes his division. A good example is Tyson, though it wasn't the best era,
he ducked noone, he just lined them up. Same with Ali.

Memory problems..he didn't fight a prime Holyfield, Bowe or Lewis, instead he beat up fighters like a washed up Holmes

Mikkel wrote:I think Calzaghe wants to be in that category but he is not willing to take the neccessary risks.
Besides, your wrong. Some records can't be "picked apart".

Examples.
Ali
Duran
Hagler
Hearns
Robinson
Leonard
Holyfield

And I said in a previous post..."Apart from Ali's and haglers era, I can't remember many boxers fighting other legends when both are in their prime years".

You say Calzaghe is a ducker, but once again you get that wrong. The reason is isn't fighting people like Pavlik because at his stage of his career he wants massive names, and Hopkins and Jones are bigger names than Pavlik. All this is pointless, you wont see sense, Calzaghe is a legend regardless of what you say, I just hope Hatton can reach legendary status himself.

Couture wrote:hope Pacman can pull an upset against De la hoya so we can see ricky vs pac...

the worst is that if DLH wins hes gonna pick on another midget in Hatton and that fight will be over in 4 rounds...

I completely agree, Hatton would get blown away, especially with Hatton's aggresive style, De La Hoya is far too big and skillful.

Mikkel wrote:

Earnie_Shavers wrote:I'm waiting for "Paulie is a bum, that win means nothing"

Ya know the usual shit?

It is what it is, he beat a good fighter nothing else. Don't act like he beat Cotto or something. We all know where Hattons limit is..when he steps up to the Floyd Mayweather class of opposition, he gets beat.
What is it with you brits ? You have been in the boxing shadow of US for so long and now you try to prove a point that you've finally stepped out of it.

But producing a Calzaghe and Hatton doenst make up for it.
These guys are good but got to where they are more out of clever management than anything else. It's not like they pulverized their divisions, taking on everybody everywhere.
I'm from Denmark and I have no illusion that Kessler is the next Ray Robinson..
The best you've had so far is Lewis but he was schooled to that level in America.

And what is it about you people that want to pull a brit fighter down in every fight they win?. You may have a point but you NEVER give any credit, there is always a reason why a brit fighter wins and it's not because of skill accorinding to you so it kind of make your argument look like brit sniping. If Hatton beat Mayweather I can guarantee there would have been excuses from some people. As for Hatton stepping up to Mayweather and losing I'll say this one more time, Hatton is world class, he can beat everyone including Cotto, but Mayweather is legendary class...big difference.

Like I have said before, Hatton and Calzaghe may have had a few easy
nights, but what fighter hasn't?. Hatton is going for all the best fighters, he is even willing to step up to 147 to fight Oscar the much bigger man just so that he can fight the best, but even if he beats him we will hear that oscar is passed it blah blah blah, like donny said you guys go on like it's just Brit fighters. Apart from Ali's and haglers era, I can't remember many boxers fighting other legends when both are in their prime years.

Thanks god established magazines liek Ring Magazine and other critics rate Hatton and Calzaghe as world class and Calzaghe legendary and not these biased idiots on these forums. I've done it before, every record can be picked apart, I done it with Hopkins and Jones, Hopkins has almost lost all the big fights and whacked out many bums as ten years champion, but that gets glossed over, let me guess "no problem"

Skillz wrote:He fought timid and got pressured into holding out of fear of a big punch from Hatton..

But its ok, cuz guess wht, i stil got "Money Mayweather" (he will b back)

Who did this to your "Fellow Manchester Mate" (lmao):
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=DIZP4HVW

What on earth does that have to do with what happened tonight?. Unless you are Calzaghe, Marciano or Mayweather you will lose to someone eventually, and besides where is the shame in losing to possibly the greatest fighter of all time?. Bottom line is that no other fighter can beat him at junior welterweight. Come on take a loss graciously for once.

I loved seeing all the crap Paulie was spewing before the fight, saying crap like how Hatton isn't as a good as people think, I just knew he was going to be outclassed. We saw Hatton land his first good shot in round 2 then Paulie ran and held all fight. He knew he was out of his depth from round 2 and just wanted to survive. The result was all too obvious (unless you are a biased American who has the knives out for British fighters), hatton has 30 odd knockouts and is a constant pressure fighter and Paulie only has 5 KO's to his name, oh and HE isn't as good as what he thinks.

It amazes me that you guys are defending his terrible comments, if it was the other wya round you both would be on Calzaghe's case. Using the "I hang around with a white guy which means I'm not racist" argument doesn't wash with me.

Look at his statement. He didn't say he didn't like white people, he didn't say he hated them to the point where he wouldn't have one as a coach or as a freind he said he wouldn't lose a fight to a white boy, there are different ways and levels of being aracist and yes it wasn't the worse case you will ever see, but it ws still a racist comment and when asked about it he didn;t retract it he made even more racist comments. And African if you think that was just selling a fight then next time Hatton fights he should say something like from now on I won't lose a to n***** then we will see your reaction then. Amazing how some people brush this off as nothing, disgraceful.

P.S imature kid, I'm not nut hugging I'm debating your weird fanantical obssession with Calzaghe, I see threads about him and you bashing him all the time on here, very weird behaviour. your pro American "nut hugging" makes me laugh. You will never get it.

Anyways back to the fight, I just saw it again on Setanta, what a heart Jones had, beaten, cut badly yet still wanted more, he was even complimenting Calzaghe's punches in the ring, true class, true warrior and legend.

Earnie_Shavers wrote:Its annoyin when ppl say "Joe has no chance, Roy Jones will give him his 1st loss" then the next day ppl say "Roy's past it, I knew he would lose anyway, the win doesnt mean shit"

I honestly think Calzaghe had a chance of beating roy 5 years ago when he could actually punch and KO ppl. But now his hands are fucked he punches light.

Finally, someone who has boxing knowledge, that's an excellent point you bring up. It has been well documented that Joe has adpated his style and no longer goes for the knockout because of his hands which makes his achievements all the more amazing.

African Assassin wrote:Benn I personally think that your a f**ing idiot.

You don't even know me, hence why you call me Benn. Besides someone who disrespects a true great has got to be the one who is an idiot.

I've made my point, you are too biased and too imature to have a reasonable debate so I'm done here, once again congratualtions Calzaghe, 10 years as champ, retired undefeated, that's what you will be rememberd for and so it should be.

I still find it funny how people try to disect Calzaghe's record and legacy yet harp on about how great Jones and Hopkins are (I wonder why), but I'll show you just how easy it is to disect both Jones and Hopkins records...

I'll start with Jones. Beats a prime Hopkins and prime Toney, the whole boxing world thought damn....legend in the making here, two truly great wins, then what happens?, fights bums for the next 7 years and was critisied for not finishing off these bums because the boxing public could see they were hand picked opponents and they was hanging in there for round after round because Jones was being so negative. He beat probably the worst heavyweight champion in the last 50 years, he then he got knocked out two times in a row by good fighters, not great fighters, now please tell me where any legend as ever been knocked out like that twice in a row. he beats a washed up Trinidad who let's face it was too light and small to ever challenge Jones in a complete mismatch , Trinidad couldn't hurt him, his timiing was off and Jones knew that.

Now Mr Racist. Loses his first ever fight to a nobody, but then goes on a impressive run of victories before losing to Jones. Big fight lost No 1. He then goes on defending his title against a few good fighters, but mostly bums before he then decides to fight someone decent. But it's a calculated risk as trinidad again punches above his weight, blows up to middleweight and Hopkins' bigger frame counts. He then beats a man who once again fights at a higher weight than he is comfortable win and Hopkins again takes advantage of that and beats a guy who retires and comes back like a yo-yo. he then loses to Taylor twice in a row, first true test of someone very good in their prime like back when Jones beat him, Big fight lost No 2 and No 3. He then beats a out of shape Tarver who made a living out of beating Jones, he then followed it up with a good win against Ronald Wright. He then loses to Joe Calzaghe, Big fight Lost no 4, while also proving why he was in jail, nasty person who is also a racist.

See how easy that is?, I'm not naive I understand that Calzage hasn't fought the best of competition over his career and should have fought guys like Hopkins and Jones sooner, but like I have just proven Jones and Hopkins BOTH have had that exact criticism. Maybe some of you are too young to remember, but I do remember when Jones and Hopkins got slated for not defending their belts against better opposition and being completely negative while fighting nobodies. Jones, Hopkins and Calzaghe are all great, but all records can be picked apart and rightly so in some instances, but look at how Jones and Calzaghe fought in particular, great exciting unique styles.

End of the day Calzaghe is a legend and I salute him, like Marciano (who apparently also beat washed up legends, didn't stop him being a legend though), retires undefeated, an amazing achievement.

It' funny how the Americans in this thread still disrespect Calzaghe and are already making excuses for Jones before the fight saying crap like "ohh too old", "5-10 years ago different story", yet if he wins the same people will say "calzaghe has always been overated, Jones is a legend, still has what it takes", so Calzaghe is in a lose lose situation.

If he does win however, you guys will say Jones is a hasbeen, past it, but 10 years ago he would have beat him, and you call yourselves boxing fans?. Being biased is one thing but to knock a guy who has beaten everybody and hasn't lot a fight since he was 14 is beyond me. He is a legend most people know it, deal with it.

If you guys knew anything about the game you would know that 10 years ago a Calzaghe Vs Jones fight would have been a very close one, just as this one will be, Jones might have won back then, but it would have been close, but this total disrespect for Calzaghe a legend is just typical jealousy because he isn't American. Like I said before, Lacy's and Kessler's face really looked like it had been slapped didn't they?.

One last thing people use the age thing, Calzaghe is past it too, he is 36, Jones 39, not like there is a massive difference.

African Assassin wrote:This saturday night live from MSG New York city two highly regarded light heavyweights will go at it in a 12 round contest.

IMHO i think jones has about a 5-10 percent chance of winning, and that this may turn out to be a gross mismatch. Upon hearing teddy atlas pick jones to upset calzaghe i'm about 99 percent sure joe calzaghe will win. Roy right now is shot past the point of return, it is sad because jones of 2003 would have not only beat calzaghe but would have given him a sadistic beating. Be that as it may Calzaghe will win and run away from the sport lick a sucker....... I kno this may make me sound crazy, but i'm going with Roy Jones to upset the slapping master via late round stoppage!!!!!!!

By the way what do you guys think?

Makes me laugh when I see your continual bashing of Calzaghe...you have no clue what you are on about.

I see this fight as a 50/50, Calzaghe has the speed, but Jones is naturally the bigger man so he would have the power advantage, although he hasn't shown his knockout capabilities the last few years. I just hope it isn't a cagey fight which is what I'm predicting.

Maybe this thread should have been called "Awards for October" seeing as I see alot of peoples influences have been to what's going on now and not accounting at all to the previous 10 months of the year. Pointles thread.

It still amazes me how Calzaghe still gets attacked by the American public. If only he was American, maybe even black, he would have got respect by now. Atleast sports writers in America and former American boxing champions rate Calzaghe very highly and consider him an all time great (which he is like it or not) they after all know what they are talking about.

Calzaghe dismantles Kessler and Lacy, people on this forum just say shit like "ohhh never reated Lacy", "Joe Calslapply", (Lacy and Kesslers faces looked like they had been slapped didn't they?) blah blah blah, but the moment Hopkins beats a champion it's "wow look how amazing he is, legend". I still remember who Hopkins has lost too and he has lost a few big fights and he is a criminal and a downright racist.