Hatton Vs Malignaggi

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No disrespect I think you need to read my posts, I'll paste my comments in with yours in this post...

Mikkel wrote:DD, whos pulling who down ? It seems to me that you are trying to pull Hatton up like this was some huge win.

I said in a previous post..."hatton has 30 odd knockouts and is a constant pressure fighter and Paulie only has 5 KO's to his name, oh and HE isn't as good as what he thinks"...so where did I say it was a huge win?.

Mikkel wrote:A true great fighter just demolishes his division. A good example is Tyson, though it wasn't the best era,
he ducked noone, he just lined them up. Same with Ali.

Memory problems..he didn't fight a prime Holyfield, Bowe or Lewis, instead he beat up fighters like a washed up Holmes

Mikkel wrote:I think Calzaghe wants to be in that category but he is not willing to take the neccessary risks.
Besides, your wrong. Some records can't be "picked apart".

Examples.
Ali
Duran
Hagler
Hearns
Robinson
Leonard
Holyfield

And I said in a previous post..."Apart from Ali's and haglers era, I can't remember many boxers fighting other legends when both are in their prime years".

You say Calzaghe is a ducker, but once again you get that wrong. The reason is isn't fighting people like Pavlik because at his stage of his career he wants massive names, and Hopkins and Jones are bigger names than Pavlik. All this is pointless, you wont see sense, Calzaghe is a legend regardless of what you say, I just hope Hatton can reach legendary status himself.

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When Tyson were at top, Holyfield,Bowe and Lewis were just getting started. They would have met if Tyson didn't goto jail.

But basically my point is still valid. He didnt fight anyone who were prime and real good. Not saying the others did it constantly, but at least they did it a few times.
A fight with Jones, Toney or Hopkins 7-10 years ago would have been enough but sadly it never happend. Why this didnt happen doesnt matter, it might be Jones fault as well.
But the point is, it didnt happen. How can that make him a legend ? His best results are Kessler and Lacy unless you wan't to count in the win over the human punching bag RJJ. For Christ Sake !
Legend = Ali
Legend = Hagler
How can Calzaghe then be a legend ? Unless theres different degrees of legends. He could be like a "midget legend" or something.
You say he wants massive names ? Sure the Hopkins fight were somewhat legit but the RJJ fight ? RJJ was washed up, everyone knew it, he was koed two times not long ago. It showed totally in the fight, it wasnt a fight. The guy had no coordination.
How on earth can Cal be so damn proud of this pathethic showing. It's a crime putting a fight like that on PPV.
Once again he bored us to death just because he is too afraid to fight real fighters.
How on earth can a fight like that be a bigger fight than a Pavlik fight ?
It looks as if he is going for the cheap shots instead for the real challenges.
IF he beats Pavlik and Dawson, mad respect from me. But based on his previous carreer, it's so sadly obvious that it won't happen.
His style is more to fiil a stadium with 50000 drunken holygans to cheer him beat up some poor bum.

Mikkel wrote:When Tyson were at top, Holyfield,Bowe and Lewis were just getting started. They would have met if Tyson didn't goto jail.

But basically my point is still valid. He didnt fight anyone who were prime and real good. Not saying the others did it constantly, but at least they did it a few times.
A fight with Jones, Toney or Hopkins 7-10 years ago would have been enough but sadly it never happend. Why this didnt happen doesnt matter, it might be Jones fault as well.
But the point is, it didnt happen. How can that make him a legend ? His best results are Kessler and Lacy unless you wan't to count in the win over the human punching bag RJJ. For Christ Sake !
Legend = Ali
Legend = Hagler
How can Calzaghe then be a legend ? Unless theres different degrees of legends. He could be like a "midget legend" or something.

I just have to laugh at that, Calzaghe not a legend?, hahaha, I'm not going to continue this discussion, your comments are laughable, Ali and Hagler he is not, but he is a legend in his own right.

Dark Destroyer wrote:

Mikkel wrote:When Tyson were at top, Holyfield,Bowe and Lewis were just getting started. They would have met if Tyson didn't goto jail.

But basically my point is still valid. He didnt fight anyone who were prime and real good. Not saying the others did it constantly, but at least they did it a few times.
A fight with Jones, Toney or Hopkins 7-10 years ago would have been enough but sadly it never happend. Why this didnt happen doesnt matter, it might be Jones fault as well.
But the point is, it didnt happen. How can that make him a legend ? His best results are Kessler and Lacy unless you wan't to count in the win over the human punching bag RJJ. For Christ Sake !
Legend = Ali
Legend = Hagler
How can Calzaghe then be a legend ? Unless theres different degrees of legends. He could be like a "midget legend" or something.

I just have to laugh at that, Calzaghe not a legend?, hahaha, I'm not going to continue this discussion, your comments are laughable, Ali and Hagler he is not, but he is a legend in his own right.

So you agree with me that he is in the lower division of the legends ? the Dwarf Division ?

Mikkel wrote:

Dark Destroyer wrote:

Mikkel wrote:When Tyson were at top, Holyfield,Bowe and Lewis were just getting started. They would have met if Tyson didn't goto jail.

But basically my point is still valid. He didnt fight anyone who were prime and real good. Not saying the others did it constantly, but at least they did it a few times.
A fight with Jones, Toney or Hopkins 7-10 years ago would have been enough but sadly it never happend. Why this didnt happen doesnt matter, it might be Jones fault as well.
But the point is, it didnt happen. How can that make him a legend ? His best results are Kessler and Lacy unless you wan't to count in the win over the human punching bag RJJ. For Christ Sake !
Legend = Ali
Legend = Hagler
How can Calzaghe then be a legend ? Unless theres different degrees of legends. He could be like a "midget legend" or something.

I just have to laugh at that, Calzaghe not a legend?, hahaha, I'm not going to continue this discussion, your comments are laughable, Ali and Hagler he is not, but he is a legend in his own right.

So you agree with me that he is in the lower division of the legends ? the Dwarf Division ?

Besides, where do the "go for the legends names in his last fights " fit in with him fighting Peter Manfredo ?

Ill post his record: what a patheric collection of bums and over the hills.

46 Wins (32 knockouts, 14 decisions), 0 Losses, 0 Draws[39]
Res. Opponent Type Rd., Time Date Location Notes
Win Roy Jones Jr. Decision (unanimous) 12 2008-11-08 New York City, USA Retained Ring Light Heavyweight title.
Win Bernard Hopkins Decision (split) 12 2008-04-19 Las Vegas, Nevada, USA Won Ring Light Heavyweight title held by Hopkins.
Win Mikkel Kessler Decision (unanimous) 12 2007-11-03 Cardiff, Wales Super Middleweight championship
bout for Calzaghe's WBO SuperMiddleweight
title and Kessler's WBA and WBC titles.
Win Peter Manfredo TKO 3 (12), 1:30 2007-04-07 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Sakio Bika Decision (unanimous) 12 2006-10-14 Manchester, England Retained IBF and WBO Super
Middleweight titles. Vacated the IBF
title after this fight.
Win Jeff Lacy Decision (unanimous) 12 2006-03-04 Manchester, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title
and won IBF Super Middleweight title.
Win Evans Ashira Decision (unanimous) 12 2005-09-10 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mario Veit TKO 6 (12), 0:42 2005-05-07 Braunschweig, Germany Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Kabary Salem Decision (unanimous) 12 2004-10-22 Edinburgh, Scotland Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mger Mkrtchian TKO 7 (12), 1:05 2004-02-21 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Byron Mitchell TKO 2 (12) 2003-06-28 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Tocker Pudwill KO 2 (12), 0:39 2002-12-14 Newcastle, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Miguel Ángel Jiménez Decision (unanimous) 12 2002-08-17 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Charles Brewer Decision (unanimous) 12 2002-04-20 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Will McIntyre TKO 4 (12), 0:45 2001-10-13 Copenhagen, Denmark Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mario Veit TKO 1 (12), 1:52 2001-04-28 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Richie Woodhall TKO 10 (12), 0:28 2000-12-16 Sheffield, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Omar Sheika TKO 5 (12), 2;08 2000-08-12 Wembley, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win David Starie Decision (unanimous) 12 2000-01-29 Manchester, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Rick Thornberry Decision (unanimous) 12 1999-06-05 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Robin Reid Decision (split) 12 1999-02-13 Newcastle, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Juan Carlos Gimenez TKO 9 (12), 3:00 1998-04-25 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Branko Sobot TKO 3 (12), 1:35 1998-01-24 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Chris Eubank Decision (unanimous) 12 1997-10-11 Sheffield, England Won WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Luciano Torres TKO 3 (10) 1997-06-05 Bristol, England Relinquished BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title after this fight.
Win Tyler Hughes KO 1 (10) 1997-03-22 Manchester, England
Win Carlos Christie TKO 2 (10) 1997-01-21 Bristol, England
Win Pat Lawlor TKO 2 (10) 1996-05-15 Cardiff, Wales
Win Warren Stowe TKO 2 (10) 1996-05-04 Dagenham, England
Win Mark Delaney TKO 5 (12) 1996-04-20 Brentwood, England Retained BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title.
Win Anthony Brooks TKO 2 (10) 1996-03-13 Wembley, England
Win Guy Stanford TKO 1 (10) 1996-02-13 Cardiff, Wales
Win Stephen Wilson TKO 8 (12) 1995-10-28 London, England Won vacant BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title.
Win Nick Manners TKO 4 (10) 1995-09-30 Basildon, England
Win Tyrone Jackson TKO 4 (

, 1:08 1995-07-08 York, England
Win Robert Curry TKO 1 (

1995-05-19 London, England
Win Bobbie Joe Edwards Decision (unanimous) 8 1995-02-22 Telford, England
Win Frank Minton KO 1 (

, 1:25 1995-02-14 London, England
Win Trevor Ambrose TKO 2 (

1994-11-30 Wolverhampton, England
Win Mark Lee Dawson TKO 1 (6) 1994-10-01 Cardiff, Wales
Win Karl Barwise TKO 1 (6) 1994-06-04 Cardiff, Wales
Win Darren Littlewood TKO 1 (6) 1994-03-01 Dudley, England
Win Martin Rosamond TKO 1 (6) 1994-01-22 Cardiff, Wales
Win Spencer Alton TKO 2 (4) 1993-12-16 Newport, Wales
Win Paul Mason TKO 1 (4) 1993-11-10 Watford, England
Win Paul Hanlon TKO 1 (4) 1993-10-0

Mikkel wrote:He could be like a "midget legend" or something.

LMFAO!!!

This made me smile.

Danny Devito is the midget legend

Win Evans Ashira Decision (unanimous) 12 2005-09-10 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mario Veit TKO 6 (12), 0:42 2005-05-07 Braunschweig, Germany Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Kabary Salem Decision (unanimous) 12 2004-10-22 Edinburgh, Scotland Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mger Mkrtchian TKO 7 (12), 1:05 2004-02-21 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Byron Mitchell TKO 2 (12) 2003-06-28 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Tocker Pudwill KO 2 (12), 0:39 2002-12-14 Newcastle, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Miguel Ángel Jiménez Decision (unanimous) 12 2002-08-17 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Charles Brewer Decision (unanimous) 12 2002-04-20 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Will McIntyre TKO 4 (12), 0:45 2001-10-13 Copenhagen, Denmark Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mario Veit TKO 1 (12), 1:52 2001-04-28 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Richie Woodhall TKO 10 (12), 0:28 2000-12-16 Sheffield, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Omar Sheika TKO 5 (12), 2;08 2000-08-12 Wembley, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win David Starie Decision (unanimous) 12 2000-01-29 Manchester, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Rick Thornberry Decision (unanimous) 12 1999-06-05 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Robin Reid Decision (split) 12 1999-02-13 Newcastle, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Juan Carlos Gimenez TKO 9 (12), 3:00 1998-04-25 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Branko Sobot TKO 3 (12), 1:35 1998-01-24 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Chris Eubank Decision (unanimous) 12 1997-10-11 Sheffield, England Won WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Luciano Torres TKO 3 (10) 1997-06-05 Bristol, England Relinquished BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title after this fight.
Win Tyler Hughes KO 1 (10) 1997-03-22 Manchester, England
Win Carlos Christie TKO 2 (10) 1997-01-21 Bristol, England
Win Pat Lawlor TKO 2 (10) 1996-05-15 Cardiff, Wales
Win Warren Stowe TKO 2 (10) 1996-05-04 Dagenham, England
Win Mark Delaney TKO 5 (12) 1996-04-20 Brentwood, England Retained BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title.
Win Anthony Brooks TKO 2 (10) 1996-03-13 Wembley, England
Win Guy Stanford TKO 1 (10) 1996-02-13 Cardiff, Wales
Win Stephen Wilson TKO 8 (12) 1995-10-28 London, England Won vacant BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title.
Win Nick Manners TKO 4 (10) 1995-09-30 Basildon, England
Win Tyrone Jackson TKO 4 (, 1:08 1995-07-08 York, England
Win Robert Curry TKO 1 ( 1995-05-19 London, England
Win Bobbie Joe Edwards Decision (unanimous) 8 1995-02-22 Telford, England
Win Frank Minton KO 1 (, 1:25 1995-02-14 London, England
Win Trevor Ambrose TKO 2 ( 1994-11-30 Wolverhampton, England
Win Mark Lee Dawson TKO 1 (6) 1994-10-01 Cardiff, Wales
Win Karl Barwise TKO 1 (6) 1994-06-04 Cardiff, Wales
Win Darren Littlewood TKO 1 (6) 1994-03-01 Dudley, England
Win Martin Rosamond TKO 1 (6) 1994-01-22 Cardiff, Wales
Win Spencer Alton TKO 2 (4) 1993-12-16 Newport, Wales
Win Paul Mason TKO 1 (4) 1993-11-10 Watford, England
Win Paul Hanlon TKO 1 (4) 1993-10-0

I DONT BELIEVE THESE FIGHTERS HAVE EVER DID ANYTHING OR HAVE BEEN HEARD OF...(HEAR IN AMERICA OF COURSE

RJJ wasn't much better. I could never forgive him for not fighting Watson, Benn, Eubank..that would have been some fights. And of course Calzaghe. So it goes two ways, don't think I only criticize the English fighters.

Almost every boxer in the world doesn't fight the best or most dangerous fighters if they have a good chance of losing, that will ruin their paydays.

Earnie_Shavers wrote:Almost every boxer in the world doesn't fight the best or most dangerous fighters if they have a good chance of losing, that will ruin their paydays.

And thats whats ruining the sport.

Good to see Nigel Benn spewing his patented "boxing knowledge"(pun intended). Getting back to the point, while I like hatton more than calslappy I have to say that he is a tad bt overrated, and has made a name for himself by fighting a shot tzu and aeven more shot castillo only to get ANIHILATED by mayweather. (don't blame coetez it wasnt him who knocked him out) While I think hatton is a good fighter, calzaghe is a lot better, and is in the top 5 of the fighters of the last decade. Hatton is no where near that level, and will e KO'ed y the best in the game.

All I have left to say, is that Nigel you mst be smoing crack if you think Hatton can be competitive with Cotto let along beat him CRAZY. Cotto would murder him, and wouldn't be able to take his punches while Cotto would walk through him. You are taking Margarito's victory over cotto way too far bottom line Hatton while I like him, gets rapped by any ELITE fighter.

On a better note I loved the Prince Naseem, his fight against Kelly was the first fight I went to and watched live in person, and I have been a fan of boxing ever since. In a sense it was Hamed who got me hooked on boxing; he was one of my favorite fighters not due to his boxing aility, but his showmanship.....And now I give you the following:

The greatest ring entrance of all times >>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1JM7YLIyU

The best of Hamed getting owned (watch 3;20 is classic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ISwivnhMpI

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African Assassin wrote:On a better note I loved the Prince Naseem, his fight against Kelly was the first fight I went to and watched live in person, and I have been a fan of boxing ever since. In a sense it was Hamed who got me hooked on boxing; he was one of my favorite fighters not due to his boxing aility, but his showmanship.....And now I give you the following:

The greatest ring entrance of all times >>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1JM7YLIyU

The best of Hamed getting owned (watch 3;20 is classic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ISwivnhMpI

Great showman, but stepped up to world class level and got obliterated by barrera, rather than prove himself he ran away from the boxing world.

I agree with some of what you have said, hatton isn't on Calzaghe's level, like I have pointed out Calzaghe is a legend Hatton isn't, Hatton is world class though and if he beats the best in the nxt 5 years he could very well be a legend.

As for him beating Cotto, didn't Cotto lose his last fight to a fighter who has the exact same style as Hatton?, there's a thought for you.

As for my boxing knowlegge I atleast acknowlegde good fighters and don't disregard them for what flag they fight for, bias it seems has well and truly clouded your knowledge and judgment. And let's not see you dissing me in every thread I post in, let's keep to debating the boxing and not get childish, after all we don't know each other and never will.

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Skillz wrote:Win Evans Ashira Decision (unanimous) 12 2005-09-10 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mario Veit TKO 6 (12), 0:42 2005-05-07 Braunschweig, Germany Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Kabary Salem Decision (unanimous) 12 2004-10-22 Edinburgh, Scotland Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mger Mkrtchian TKO 7 (12), 1:05 2004-02-21 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Byron Mitchell TKO 2 (12) 2003-06-28 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Tocker Pudwill KO 2 (12), 0:39 2002-12-14 Newcastle, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Miguel Ángel Jiménez Decision (unanimous) 12 2002-08-17 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Charles Brewer Decision (unanimous) 12 2002-04-20 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Will McIntyre TKO 4 (12), 0:45 2001-10-13 Copenhagen, Denmark Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Mario Veit TKO 1 (12), 1:52 2001-04-28 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Richie Woodhall TKO 10 (12), 0:28 2000-12-16 Sheffield, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Omar Sheika TKO 5 (12), 2;08 2000-08-12 Wembley, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win David Starie Decision (unanimous) 12 2000-01-29 Manchester, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Rick Thornberry Decision (unanimous) 12 1999-06-05 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Robin Reid Decision (split) 12 1999-02-13 Newcastle, England Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Juan Carlos Gimenez TKO 9 (12), 3:00 1998-04-25 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Branko Sobot TKO 3 (12), 1:35 1998-01-24 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Chris Eubank Decision (unanimous) 12 1997-10-11 Sheffield, England Won WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win Luciano Torres TKO 3 (10) 1997-06-05 Bristol, England Relinquished BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title after this fight.
Win Tyler Hughes KO 1 (10) 1997-03-22 Manchester, England
Win Carlos Christie TKO 2 (10) 1997-01-21 Bristol, England
Win Pat Lawlor TKO 2 (10) 1996-05-15 Cardiff, Wales
Win Warren Stowe TKO 2 (10) 1996-05-04 Dagenham, England
Win Mark Delaney TKO 5 (12) 1996-04-20 Brentwood, England Retained BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title.
Win Anthony Brooks TKO 2 (10) 1996-03-13 Wembley, England
Win Guy Stanford TKO 1 (10) 1996-02-13 Cardiff, Wales
Win Stephen Wilson TKO 8 (12) 1995-10-28 London, England Won vacant BBBofC British Super
Middleweight title.
Win Nick Manners TKO 4 (10) 1995-09-30 Basildon, England
Win Tyrone Jackson TKO 4 (, 1:08 1995-07-08 York, England
Win Robert Curry TKO 1 ( 1995-05-19 London, England
Win Bobbie Joe Edwards Decision (unanimous) 8 1995-02-22 Telford, England
Win Frank Minton KO 1 (, 1:25 1995-02-14 London, England
Win Trevor Ambrose TKO 2 ( 1994-11-30 Wolverhampton, England
Win Mark Lee Dawson TKO 1 (6) 1994-10-01 Cardiff, Wales
Win Karl Barwise TKO 1 (6) 1994-06-04 Cardiff, Wales
Win Darren Littlewood TKO 1 (6) 1994-03-01 Dudley, England
Win Martin Rosamond TKO 1 (6) 1994-01-22 Cardiff, Wales
Win Spencer Alton TKO 2 (4) 1993-12-16 Newport, Wales
Win Paul Mason TKO 1 (4) 1993-11-10 Watford, England
Win Paul Hanlon TKO 1 (4) 1993-10-0

I DONT BELIEVE THESE FIGHTERS HAVE EVER DID ANYTHING OR HAVE BEEN HEARD OF...(HEAR IN AMERICA OF COURSE

Shows your boxing knowledge, Eubank is one of the all time great super middles and Mitchell was a double world champion. Robin Reid was WBC champion. Just because you don;t have the knowlegde don't mean other Americans don't, granted they are not household names in America, but boxing fans appreciate how good they were.

I could do the exact same thing to Jones and Hopkins record who knocked out bums for 10 years, but I won't. Almost all fighters fight nobodies with the occassional A-list fighter on the record. If every boxer fought A-List fighters all the time, even when they start out in their careers we would probably see 15 losses on each record like back in the 1900's.