Crap 'nd Garbage

Red should be a lot better after all those fights.. that said, he is pretty good but not HOF level. He doesn't think he gets the respect he deserves and, truthfully, that's just his inner attension-whore going to work again. Seriously, what kind of fuckball demands respect?! Anyway, Red is not 'crap' but is definately not as good as he thinks he is. He doesn't have the mental capacity to improve at the rate HOF'ers do so it's gonna take him quite a long time.

Some harsh words Red Viper but still no ones think you are crap.

Fatny wrote:I think he's crap against the very elite players like me or Larry or black bear, but still a top player overall.

Just a style and patience thing, i'm sure he owns many players worse then i do.

-Fatny

Fatny hes not crap he has the most unique style ever. He's owned alot of people and have beat most of the top players and some some HOF'ers. But the point is that hes pretty good and he should go to the HOF in 09......with Black Bear and Vargas.

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johnbludger wrote:

Fatny hes not crap he has the most unique style ever. He's owned alot of people and have beat most of the top players and some some HOF'ers. But the point is that hes pretty good and he should go to the HOF in 09......with Black Bear and Vargas.

Read again i said he's a top player overall. It's just against the elite players (a tiny minority) he gets owned badly. Like against Larry Holmes pure offense won't cut it, he's not going down so you need to block some punches and to have enough patience to play 12 rounds. Viper blocks punches with his chin and the only direction he knows his forward.

His style is own or be owned.

For exemple Catfish gives me a better fight. Doesn't mean he's better then viper, he's not.

I've always thought Red has skills, bloody fast hands the dude has and a relentless come forward style. Like Fatny (and others) said this is his weakness but at the same time it's his strength, if your defence and footwork aren't ready then he will take your head off with his speed and aggression.

Sure he isn't the best "boxer" on here but very few can match or better his speed and aggression, if the guy learnt to box a little smarter, have more patience then unleash the speed combos when it's time to do so then he would be very very hard to stop.

@Red, you are a very good fighter dude, anyone that thinks otherwise is either trying to wind you up or frikkin blind. Let your hands do the talking like they always have.

Red Viper is a master at coming back from the brink of defeat...many times I have knocked him down a few times...thinking that I'm going to TKO him...then BOOM...he hits me with a million short left hooks in the space of 1 second...and I'm out cold on the canvass. He has the fastest hands in the OB world in my opinion.

Fatny wrote:

johnbludger wrote:

Fatny hes not crap he has the most unique style ever. He's owned alot of people and have beat most of the top players and some some HOF'ers. But the point is that hes pretty good and he should go to the HOF in 09......with Black Bear and Vargas.

Read again i said he's a top player overall. It's just against the elite players (a tiny minority) he gets owned badly. Like against Larry Holmes pure offense won't cut it, he's not going down so you need to block some punches and to have enough patience to play 12 rounds. Viper blocks punches with his chin and the only direction he knows his forward.

His style is own or be owned.

For exemple Catfish gives me a better fight. Doesn't mean he's better then viper, he's not.

So if Viper would play defence alittle bit more and still use his "lighting punches and play smarter. He would be somewhat HOF material.

IMO Viper is HOF material not because he is the best player around, but because he is FAMOUS.
By the way I dont see Viper changing his style any time soon.

If Viper played more defensivly he would be simply unstoppable.
Probally even better than Fatny himself

Dick wrote:IMO Viper is HOF material not because he is the best player around, but because he is FAMOUS.
By the way I dont see Viper changing his style any time soon.

ok

man u guys stay arguing on whether red deserves to be in HOF.

someone with his record, stats, and the only unique style should go in the HOF in 09

basically u wonder why boon gives u shots red? its cause ur a easy defense thats all and this thread just buttering u up its sad but true you can be a easy win.