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For those that don't understand the patience part it's really simple and basic. You don't need to be a genius or to "work out" the game until your eyes bleed, it's actually pretty obvious. I'm sure quite a lot of players already know that.

You've got stamina and you've got punching power. Each punch takes a set amount of stamina that never change. Say -1 stamina for a jab, -4 stamina for a right hand or whatever. But on the other side, each time you throw a punch your power lowers, and while it's lowered the next punches do less damage. So if you do a big combination say Jab-Jab-Righthand-Righthand-Righthand like Red Viper likes to do, well it's sure fun, but the 2 last righthands do much less damage if they land than a righthand with full power, while taking the full -4 stamina. So on the long run (because an OB fight is pretty long) it's ineficcient. That's why big combinations aren't as good as single potshots in OB.

Add that fact to the fact that there is 12 rounds and every round is worth just as much as the others and that you have a set amount of stamina, and the patience requirement becomes pretty obvious.

Now how do you recover your punching power between shots? Well there's 2 ways. You either step back or you go forward and clinch (oh no the evil word). In OB the ring is pretty small, so if you step back all the time you'll soon find yourself in your corner and once in your corner, you can't step back anymore. Clinching you can do endlessly, and at the same time it has the small benefit of adding some little time when the ref breaks the clinch to recover some more punching power. So since OB is designed this way, clinching is better than stepping back.

Almost all of those that are patient and aware of the stamina/power thing like Boxa or Larry Holmes or Sugarray step back to recover their power. It works well, but not as well as clinching.

Pretty basic isin't it? That's all there is to my style. There's no need to "work out" anything, there's no big system, it's the way the game is and it's obvious. It's why it's better to fight slowly and patiently than to throw tons of combinations like Vargas or Red Viper or Unstop.

If this game didn't have punching power and stamina, then it would be purely skills aka only reflexes and speed, just like Street Fighter. But since they're there, Patience is a huge part of the game also.

^agreed

Nice posts Fatny, I like how you break it down.

does squeezed head have a main that i would know? or is this his main?

cuz when he made that file, it came out of the blue really.

Well done
Nice of you come along and explain (pretty much) the exact same thing for the goons. Nice and quiet now, the goons will be soaking up all that knowledge probably.

Nice of you to admit that what you require is patience. Such patience to conquer a game that really amounts to nothing any other individual outside of this little group would even take note of?
As a side note, if you ever fancy playing on any client with any limits i'd be more than happy to take your bankroll from you on a heads up cash game. That game holds a bit more understandable weight and as mentioned you can't ply your way through it.

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Don't worry if you lose a few you'll still have enough for a meal and a blowjob from a ladyboy.

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Squeezed (Lemon?) Head wrote:Such patience to conquer a game that really amounts to nothing any other individual outside of this little group would even take note of?

Just like every single computer game, no?

Squeezed (Lemon?) Head wrote:Nice of you to admit that what you require is patience.

I don't require patience, the GAME requires patience from the way it's designed. Or maybe are you just too stupid to understand that last post i wrote.

Squeezed (Lemon?) Head wrote:
As a side note, if you ever fancy playing on any client with any limits i'd be more than happy to take your bankroll from you on a heads up cash game. That game holds a bit more understandable weight and as mentioned you can't ply your way through it.

I don't play heads up, only full table nl100 and nl200 cash games and tournaments. My online bankroll is over 10k anyway and you probably don't have any money.

To be honest you sound like a kid just out of high school with a frustration problem and some sort of weird superiority complex. Probably an absolute loser in real life that spends the majority of his time trolling forums and bashing people online to try to boost his self-esteem or something.

And PS if you think people don't "work out" poker you're way off. Just ask any serious poker player online that multitables a lot. Real talented players that go up the stakes fast and have some kind of gifted deep understanding of the game don't, but those are a very, very small minority of the winning players.

Squeezed (Lemon?) Head wrote:
Don't worry if you lose a few you'll still have enough for a meal and a blowjob from a ladyboy.

Such a pathetic comment it made me laugh.

Keep trolling, loser.

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"Just like every single computer game, no? "

Single player games are a completely different context. If you don't understand this then explaining the abc's of that wouldn't be worth anyone's time for free.

"Nice of you to admit that what you require is patience. "
(to beat the game)

Does everything need to be spelled out for you or was that a really pathetic attempt to look for something negative to say?

"I don't play heads up, only full table nl100 and nl200 cash games and tournaments. My online bankroll is over 10k anyway and you probably don't have any money.

To be honest you sound like a kid just out of high school with a frustration problem and some sort of weird superiority complex. Probably an absolute loser in real life that spends the majority of his time trolling forums and bashing people online to try to boost his self-esteem or something.

And PS if you think people don't "work out" poker you're way off. Just ask any serious poker player online that multitables a lot. Real talented players that go up the stakes fast and have some kind of gifted deep understanding of the game don't, but those are a very, very small minority of the winning players. "

I'm talking about head's up, not multi-table strategy that turns online poker into a job.

Don't waddle on, yes or no? From that long winding political bullshit answer I presume no. I will play 5k heads up with you if you have the balls for it.

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Fatny can be beaten and he can be beaten on his own game. All you need to do is either out time him or read trough combos he uses. Since his timing is extremely good it is very hard to beat him in his own game which is timing. Reading his combos and countering his style is easier.

I have done it few times myself pushing him to his corner, making him lose rounds, stamina and all. What he did to win was switch style and stop trying to clinch and push. He started to box in middle of the ring.

"Reading his combos and countering his style is easier."

If you do this and manage to do it effectively he will adapt after about 3 or 4 rounds so you have to be able to adapt yourself too in the fly.

Ps. Black Bear has best jab ever on this game.

Fatny owns you SH..

"Not going to waste anymore time on you"

The only one that's been "owned" is you. And it's very hard to own someone on something that is as open and matterless as a messageboard. It takes the perfect combination of stupidity (you) matched with in this case intriguement and probably boredem on your part.
But then again you always did find it very hard to stick to anything you ever said.

I'd much rather throw my lot in risking "ownage" at a poker table, at least then something that matters will of occurred.

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Gees u get so worked up..drink some warm milk or do some fucking thing

Just think you're an ass and sound dumb as hell, like 90% you ever have a conversation with.