Whos the greatest ?

Well u havent been here during most of Fatny era. Personally I think this era is as good as any and the fighters just as good as in "your" era.

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Larry Holmes wrote:Well u havent been here during most of Fatny era. Personally I think this era is as good as any and the fighters just as good as in "your" era.

Actually you're right. I haven't been here during most of his reign, but I wasn't around for most of HTF's reign either.

But I know what the competition has been like in both eras, because I used to drop by from time to time and browsed the forums. Perhaps today the talent may be equal in ways to the era I fought in, but there is no denying that today we do not have the abundance of talent we did back then. I mean aside from my latest comeback, what other greats of the game fight consistently? Where are Mike, HTF, Black Bear, and Larry Holmes? Did Fatny beat them all into retirement? If that's the case then I apologize. That would definitely make Fatny, The Man.

But I guess in a nutshell what I was trying to say earlier is that quality and quantity of opposition should be heavily factored when having this discussion, particularly because in the past there were a number of HOFers battling it out consistently for months/years as the rest of the OB world just watched.

Today we have one guy owning the game with less than half the amount of players participating, and most of the current HOFers have seen their best days behind them. They're most likely going through the same phase I did over the the past several years where one lives a busy live and no longer really has the motivation to become very good at this game again.

Fortunately, I've been able to spend more time online these days, and that has allowed me to once again start participating. Now I'm curious to see how well I can play after being out for so long. It's been an interesting ride. I didn't expect to play for a week and then get rated #2 in the game by Fatny. It was a great honor. I figured that if I can be rated that highly by him after a week, maybe , just maybe, I can get to his level after 6 months of consistent play.

Now get your ass back in shape and get back into it. That way we can have more of our historic 15 round snooze fests.

P.S. Fatny, please take more time off so your super human timing and speed are negatively altered.

EDDER 4 BEST!!! hahaha j.k

hey i noticed everyone hates Lemon head Why?
:O i hate him too but idk why u guys do..

Its because HTF is inconsistent trash. Fatny is so good people just resort to reminiscing on the times they were the best or making ludicrous arguments.

HTF is the best at all different styles so he is better!

LOL, his title record tells the story, his inconsistency is laughable. Comparing his title record to Fatny makes him a joke. He had his superchamp belt taken by a B fighter. Fatny had his superchamp title taken by ........o wait.

Or the funnier argument: Fatny mastered the x's and y's. You take them away and he wouldn't be invincible.

LOLWUT? He mastered the game, and neutralizes styles with reflexes and fluidity. If that makes you sad then go cry to your mommy.

Professor wrote:Its because HTF is inconsistent trash. Fatny is so good people just resort to reminiscing on the times they were the best or making ludicrous arguments.

HTF is the best at all different styles so he is better!

LOL, his title record tells the story, his inconsistency is laughable. Comparing his title record to Fatny makes him a joke. He had his superchamp belt taken by a B fighter. Fatny had his superchamp title taken by ........o wait.

Or the funnier argument: Fatny mastered the x's and y's. You take them away and he wouldn't be invincible.

LOLWUT? He mastered the game, and neutralizes styles with reflexes and fluidity. If that makes you sad then go cry to your mommy.

No crying here Profs. im just stating that MR. Fatny would have problems if just one of the factors that he has mastered would be changed, because he doesnt have a plan B or C to fall back on. Or maybe im just more into exciting fights either way both HTF and Fatny are/were great.

What do you suggest changing? I've seen Fatny change styles all the time but then again I've probably fought him 20+ times this year instead of just talking out of my ass.

Your first post was coming up to being worthy of an actual reply,
But this killed it.
"I've seen Fatny change styles all the time"

If there's any seeming belief in what you've said a little down the road i'll reply properly.

Who the fuck are you? Seriously? Fatny adapts to styles all of the time if you make him. Thats the key, shit fighters like you dont make him change his gameplan. Despite you havent fought in him in ages, you still talk like you know anything.

I fought him the other day, but since he was leaving I think he'd got too accustomed to fighting nobodies, and he didn't want the risk rate to increase from 1 percent to 5 percent even in fighting a rusty me being away for half a year. So the server went down, the fight got scrapped after round 6 and he didn't rematch me.

What style have you seem him adapt to? The 60 clinches per round instead of the 59?

What he will do is modify the same strategy against the one thing you might change if it becomes a tad successful, like anybody with half a brain.
He ain't gonna change his "style" because like I said he's worked this version of the game out, and like monkeytail understood it's all about the a and b's and consistancy.
I remember when Unstoppable was about to be inducted and Mik would every other month back then make a ridicoulus change, just for tinkering and bordems sake. Like a punch for a while knocked your opponent back

. Which would piss everybody off that had worked out half a system (although nobody apart from probably Tyrant was totally systematic.)
It really pissed Unstoppable off and he was crying about leaving. Girly but understanable.
Then Mik actually got his head down on 3d and stopped making the utter comical changes.
If he'd of made that exact same change when Fatny was playing, he would of been like an upturned turtle for a good 3 weeks.

He probably loves boxing like most here, but he unlike most has completely and utterly seperated the perception of boxing from a game that can be systamically exploited. He's rather boringly but effectively worked out the right a/b choice to do in almost every situation. Apply consistancy (if u have that sort of mentality and your that bothered) and your sorted.

The jankenpoi or rock paper scissors fundamentality this game is based on could still be modified a bit to make it rely more on the individual than system and consistancy. But the nature of this game means that amongst others it will always be very high on the system/consistancy side if someone chooses to view it this way.

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Squeezed (Lemon?) Head wrote: BAAAAAAAAAAAAWL!

You probably froze the fight with your shitty connection. No wonder he didnt want to fight you. You weren't even good in
your prime, its fucking hilarious you think Fatny was afraid to fight you.

Fear didn't have anything to do with. Pride and being ultra careful were the prime suspects. That's why he wouldn't give people repeated shots like HTF, because you knew it was all about getting into the swing of what you were doing. Good if u want to win consistantly, bad for playing and enjoying the game.
It was the attitude of all the other players playing him again and again in the spirit of this game when it was in it's "prime" that allowed him to establish this system.

"My Prime" more boxing equations brought into this game because of theme that you need to seperate from if u don't want to be a gimp anymore and want add some system and consistancy to your game.
If you think by looking at this name's account you've seen my "prime" then your a fool for not seeing beyond what's given to you. Much like you did with HTF while citing his record on this game under that name.

But please reply with a simple short statement again, I do enjoy explaining to near retards what is going on.

XFD at you thinking you were actually good. Oh and I'm guessing your talking about HTFs other account with like 1500 fights on it? Fatny's record speaks for itself. If you dont think he gave repeated shots you are a fool. The proof is in the pudding.

I dont understand why we are having this discussion. Fatny is the best ever. The guy is so superior he doesnt need to change styles. HTF tried to make a come back a while ago and was pounded into retirement again by Fatny. Maybe his style is boring and maybe he worked the game out, but it is up to us to beat him, and nobody can.

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TBH there's a lot of truth in this, i don't play OB like if it was boxing, i play it like a 2D fighting game. Like Street Fighter or Tekken. If anyone ever watched high level games of street fighter they know it's basically the same as what i do, there's not a lot of creativity there, people have mastered the good moves of their character and have a basic plan. They do this, and if the opponent makes a particular move, they counter with a particular move. Not much creativity or "free thinking", this game is about 3 things: reflexes, pratice and patience.

That's just how 2D fighting games go. For some other games like shooters even less qualities are needed to be at the top (it's pretty much 100% reflexes). And for others like Starcraft you'll need the reflexes, speed and patience + many more qualities (like creativity).

Now to say I played 1 dimensionally and that if you'd make a big change i'd have been clueless and gotten owned for 3 weeks is pushing it. I think i had the best or second best jab (with Black bear as a close first or second), even with several drastic changes that would make my trademark inside shots+clinch style useless i'd be able to box just as well as the best boxers in there. You don't need anything more than a good jab and good reflexes (to block well) to win at this game.

Well if you removed the clinching, all the inside shots and the jabs and therefore only left the right hand and the big hook, I probably would. TheMadMan would become a king with these settings.

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That's another thing, reflexes. That's what OB is mostly about. When an opponent throws a shot, you need to react quick enough to block it. Pratice will improve your timing in a fighting game, experience will make you realise a few things (if i hit the guy with 2 uppercuts, he'll most likely then react and defend his head, so i should throw a bodyshot instead), but really to be good in a fighting game you need good reflexes and you can't "work that out". I think everyone at the top has great reflexes. Did Barrack obama need to spend nights "working the game out" before owning people in his comeback? No he owned on the first day. It's all about some pratice to have the right timing (which he already had), and then it's just reflexes.

But in OB there's a third quality that you need that isin't in most fighting games and that's where I get my edge from: patience. By patience i'm talking about being patient during a fight, not spending days grinding the game to develop an ultimate strategy like squeezefag makes it sound (i didn't play any more than the average good player, that's pretty easy to check up anyway). In OB fights are pretty long compared in say Street fighter and there's stamina, so you need to fight it up slowly. You need to play carefully when you're hurt so the other guy doesn'T get a point. You need not to throw huge combinations all the time because it's too hard on the stamina. That's where i have a big edge and some people like Unstop and Vargas fail. They both might have just as good or close to as good reflexes as me, but they don't have enough patience during a fight.